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Postby gmax1204 » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:47 pm

You guys do realise she's over fifty now and will never sound as she did back in the 90s, right? It's not because her voice is ‘damaged’—if it were, she probably wouldn’t perform at all—but because of her age. You can either accept her new delivery or spend time getting sad/angry that she can’t do them vocal acrobatics like she used to two decades ago. It’s not her choice, it’s the merciless passage of time.
her voice deepened. that's natural and i don't care if she can't do those vocal acrobatics anymore. but you can't tell me that (especially) pluto and DI didn't affect her voice at all. :?
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Postby m.thr.n » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:31 pm

Of course, but if she was touring extensively, it would be a lot worse. Her voice could be done in a few years if she exhausted herself on a proper tour.
Maybe. There are some singers out there roughly her age, though, who tour way more extensively (let’s be honest, Björk has the least demanding touring schedule of any artist I’ve heard of), and their voices still sound fantastic. A lot of it probably comes down to genetics/natural predispositions, as well as singing technique. Judging from what she’s said in interviews, Björk hadn’t really considered proper vocal training before she started having problems on the Volta tour because she wanted her voice to be ‘impulsive’ and ‘a mystery’ even to herself. Her way of singing has changed since then so my guess is that her 90s acrobatics weren’t exactly doing her vocal cords any favors.
you can't tell me that (especially) pluto and DI didn't affect her voice at all. :?
No, I’m sure they did; every singer is affected by the repertoire they perform over their lifetime. I just wouldn’t go as far as saying that Björk’s voice is ‘damaged’ because of that. She sounds amazing for her age. But she obviously can’t continue doing her dolphin vocal runs or even holding very high notes into her 50s, and there are many contributing factors to it. Age is a huge one, wrong technique in the past may be another.
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Postby gmax1204 » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:58 pm

speaking of the dolphin noise...

did she do it at langholtskirkja (is that spelled right?) in reykjavik in 2008? iirc it was her last performance of iosq. there is no bootleg of it and that 1 min snippet on youtube doesn't incude it :(
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Postby Huurre » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:25 pm

I wouldn't say that her voice is damaged, at least not anymore, but it is delicate and she obviously, and understandably, avoids high belts (and the use of head voice) even though she has lowered the key of the songs with quite a few steps, I think? That is especially why that "I've seen it all" belt was so impressive and Imo she delivered it quite well, there was even a vibrato. What is more important is a healthy and rested tone of the voice, which I think she has had during these strings only concerts.
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Postby Animal » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:16 pm

It just makes me very sad to hear her voice is so damaged.
biophilia and volta were damaging enough for her voice.
You guys do realise she's over fifty now and will never sound as she did back in the 90s, right? It's not because her voice is ‘damaged’—if it were, she probably wouldn’t perform at all—but because of her age. You can either accept her new delivery or spend time getting sad/angry that she can’t do them vocal acrobatics like she used to two decades ago. It’s not her choice, it’s the merciless passage of time.

And let’s be honest, she’s still an incredible singer. The tone and texture of her voice is almost always on point, her vocals are strong and forceful, and even if she can’t belt some of the high notes anymore she’s in control and creative enough to improvise around a melody and not go out of key. The only thing that irks be sometimes is her timing (but that’s always been an issue) and I admit the too-too-too ad-libs are a bit childish. But then again, the dolphin squeaks from the 90s were as well. :lol:
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Postby gmax1204 » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:21 pm

i know this would never happen buuuuuut...it would be cool if she would completely rewrite and rearrange all the songs on GH to fit her current voice idk
anyway...that 'I've seen it all' belt really was amazing and her pluto war cry too <3
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Postby An Echo, A Stain » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:36 pm

I'm so gutted I couldn't get a ticket to this show - it looked absolutely magical! Her outfits were ON POINT and the footage I've seen nearly brings me to tears.

Verebrae by Vertebrae is one of my favorites and the string version is incredible! I believe this is the first time the song has been performed in the US, no?

CROSSING MY FINGERS FOR A FULL BOOTLEG OF THIS SHOW! :hyper:
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Postby m.thr.n » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:47 pm

Verebrae by Vertebrae is one of my favorites and the string version is incredible! I believe this is the first time the song has been performed in the US, no?
She did play it live during the Volta tour, didn't she? Back in 2007 or whenever she toured the US. Or was it just performed for Voltaïc? Memory is foggy.
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Postby Magnetar » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:23 am

Verebrae by Vertebrae is one of my favorites and the string version is incredible! I believe this is the first time the song has been performed in the US, no?
She did play it live during the Volta tour, didn't she? Back in 2007 or whenever she toured the US. Or was it just performed for Voltaïc? Memory is foggy.
17 times to be exact. And indeed, not one time in the US. Mostly in Europe and Asia.
You guys do realise she's over fifty now and will never sound as she did back in the 90s, right?
You can either accept her new delivery or spend time getting sad/angry that she can’t do them vocal acrobatics like she used to two decades ago.
Do you honestly expect me to this serious after listening to her for 25 years?

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Postby m.thr.n » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:41 am

Do you honestly expect me to this serious after listening to her for 25 years?

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Well, after listening to any singer for 25 years you should understand that voices evolve, change, and deteriorate with age. So yeah, your logic is a bit baffling. Unless the whole point of your post was just to shit on everyone else’s parade with comments such as this...
This was the ONE moment I was waiting for the whole show! I was so relived she did it and with such force!
She unfortunately didn't reach it though.
...after seeing an Instagram clip (since ‘don’t go to concerts anymore,’ as you mentioned in another thread). Which does come off a little bit bitter—and if that’s the case, I really have nothing more to say.
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Postby Magnetar » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:22 pm

^ Ofcourse, here come the drama gifs again.
Well, after listening to any singer for 25 years you should understand that voices evolve, change, and deteriorate with age. So yeah, your logic is a bit baffling.
Obviously I am well aware age is part of it m.thr.n. That's why I'm so surprised you are actually asking me this. The first time you can hear a natural change because of age is with Vespertine. Most people are not even aware of that. But age is just part of the whole and happens more gradually. I've been aware of it for a long time. It's not the biggest issue she has now, because you like you said she's still a great singer. You said so yourself Björk mentioned she never had any proper vocal training and she wanted her voice to remain a mystery to her. Nobody, Björk, me and other fans in the 90's ever expected her voice to change so much. We tought we'd always hear those unique vocal acrobatics because that was her strength, made her so unique, made us fall in love with her, there wouldn't be as much probably or as strong obviously (because of her age), but not almost completely lacking. If she had received proper vocal training and was aware of the risks she probably wouldn't have belted them out so much during the 90's, in almost every song, including amazing gibberish that actually worked. It took a lot from her and Volta has some very vocal demanding songs. The tour was also very long, this all finally took a toll on her voice. She said so herself. I don't have the quote ready to post, but you can look for it.
Unless the whole point of your post was just to shit on everyone else’s parade with comments such as this...
Sure, that was my intention. Let's all keep writing "she's never sounded better" and if she doesn't it's solely because of her age.
This was the ONE moment I was waiting for the whole show! I was so relived she did it and with such force!
She unfortunately didn't reach it though.
...after seeing an Instagram clip (since ‘don’t go to concerts anymore,’ as you mentioned in another thread). Which does come off a little bit bitter—and if that’s the case, I really have nothing more to say.
An intagram clip that let's me hear a specific note I have heard being performed flawlessly dozens of times before Volta. Why is it so hard to understand it genuinely makes me sad simply because I care as a die-hard fan (in a non Mario Lopez way!) I hear nuances most people here apparantly don't hear. And you can be jealous, call me bitter, old, an a-hole, whatever. I heard it all before in the last 20 years on this 4um. Actually, more like 10, the 4um has changed a lot after Vespertine was released.

Oh and do you immediately have to go to the extreme and take the "dolphin squeal" (that only happened a few times) as an example. There are hundreds of recurring and spontaneous moments of vocal acrobatics/improvs in between a dolphin squeal and a low key note. And all these together, after so many years without vocal training, finally did permanent damage to her voice during the Volta tour. More than age ever could/did in the last 25 years of her solo career.

And yes I don't knwow that when I see her again if I will cry because I feel for her, knowing she can't help it. Or will I be happy to see her again? Probably both, but it's not the same as it was. It'll be different. And yeah that makes me a little sad since she has been my favourite artist since 1993.

But whatever, don't believe me. My English sucks and gets misunderstood. Plus you just can't have a normal honest discussion here anymore and I know people love to keep on their blindfolds. Any criticism is perceived as hateful. I'll keep my experiences to myself from now on and just laugh, not being bitter at all.
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Postby m.thr.n » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:58 pm

Obviously I am well aware age is part of it m.thr.n. That's why I'm so surprised you are actually asking me this. The first time you can hear a natural change because of age is with Vespertine. Most people are not even aware of that. But age is just part of the whole and happens more gradually. I've been aware of it for a long time. It's not the biggest issue she has now, because you like you said she's still a great singer. You said so yourself Björk mentioned she never had any proper vocal training and she wanted her voice to remain a mystery to her. Nobody, Björk, me and other fans in the 90's ever expected her voice to change so much. We tought we'd always hear those unique vocal acrobatics because that was her strength, made her so unique, made us fall in love with her, there wouldn't be as much probably or as strong obviously (because of her age), but not almost completely lacking. If she had received proper vocal training and was aware of the risks she probably wouldn't have belted them out so much during the 90's, in almost every song, including amazing gibberish that actually worked. It took a lot from her and Volta has some very vocal demanding songs. The tour was also very long, this all finally took a toll on her voice. She said so herself. I don't have the quote ready to post, but you can look for it.

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Sure, that was my intention. Let's all keep writing "she's never sounded better" and if she doesn't it's solely because of her age.

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An intagram clip that let's me hear a specific note I have heard being performed flawlessly dozens of times before Volta. Why is it so hard to understand it genuinely makes me sad simply because I care as a die-hard fan (in a non Mario Lopez way!) I hear nuances most people here apparantly don't hear. And you can be jealous, call me bitter, old, an a-hole, whatever. I heard it all before in the last 20 years on this 4um. Actually, more like 10, the 4um has changed a lot after Vespertine was released.

Oh and do you immediately have to go to the extreme and take the "dolphin squeal" (that only happened a few times) as an example. There are hundreds of recurring and spontaneous moments of vocal acrobatics/improvs in between a dolphin squeal and a low key note. And all these together, after so many years without vocal training, finally did permanent damage to her voice during the Volta tour. More than age ever could/did in the last 25 years of her solo career.

And yes I don't knwow that when I see her again if I will cry because I feel for her, knowing she can't help it. Or will I be happy to see her again? Probably both, but it's not the same as it was. It'll be different. And yeah that makes me a little sad since she has been my favourite artist since 1993.

But whatever, don't believe me. My English sucks and gets misunderstood. Plus you just can't have a normal honest discussion here anymore and I know people love to keep on their blindfolds. I'll keep my experiences to myself from now on and just laugh, not being bitter at all.
Okay, Magnetar, I think in this post you are simply projecting a lot of your own odd issues concerning your personal/emotional relationship with Björk’s music, which is not really the subject of discussion here. And since you started putting words in my mouth and assuming things that I didn’t mean at all, let’s end this conversation here. I want to stress, though, that I disagree that it’s impossible to have a good talk here—quite the opposite, actually; as long as people don’t take everything personally.

And for the record, I still stand by the point I made in my previous posts—i.e. her voice sounds very good for her age, it’s not ‘damaged’ (like Julie Andrews’s or Joni Mitchell’s, for instance), and it’s naïve to expect it to sound like it did in the 90s. That’s all I have to say, really.
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Postby Magnetar » Sat Jun 03, 2017 2:01 pm

Okay, Magnetar, I think in this post you are simply projecting a lot of your own odd issues concerning your personal/emotional relationship with Björk’s music, which is not really the subject of discussion here.
WTF! Odd issues? Projecting? You're not pushing me in some labile corner m.thr.n. It's my listening experience, what my ears have been hearing since you were still in diapers. Knowing the smallest little differences. Being able to seperate deterioration due to age and a non-existing vocal training. Which also at the same time, I can completely seperate from my personal/emotional relationship with Björk. Whatever that might be, since it's always been about her music, videos, art, etc in the first place. But you're the 'resident music expert' here, you probably know better than someone that, unlike yourself and most newer 4umers, has been listening daily to every album version, remix, bootleg, you name it, for the last 25 years. And that's all I have to say really.
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Postby ultramarine » Sat Jun 03, 2017 2:50 pm

oh man, if anyone thinks björk's vocals have changed for the worse with age, try listening to a post-scarlet's walk tori amos, just try :lol:
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Postby An Echo, A Stain » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:43 pm

I think she sounds great still? What's the problem here? :lol:
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Re: 2017-5-30 @ The Walt Disney Concert Hall (LA)

Postby mrain » Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:38 am

I'll say that with her current voice, Vulnicura songs sounds very very good.
She sang it on point live.
It works.

Songs like I've seen it all and aurora she did very very good.

No complains on her voice Juz how she execute and adlib the songs that kind of dissapoints me.
However, her voice still gives me shiver down my spine.
And her quirkiness and dances actually shadows some imperfections(if u call it that)

She is amazing live.
I can't wait to see and hear her again and aiming for what's next
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Postby gmax1204 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:53 pm

soooo...no bootleg yet? :?
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Postby An Echo, A Stain » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:08 am

soooo...no bootleg yet? :?
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Postby mrain » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:37 am

^ i know i feel you guys
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Postby travieso » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:53 pm

there is a public video on my facebook of Pluto. just look for chase tanner batson's profile.
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Postby gmax1204 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:19 pm

i found pluto and jóga on yt but that's about it
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Postby feralcoton » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:57 am

speaking of the dolphin noise...

did she do it at langholtskirkja (is that spelled right?) in reykjavik in 2008? iirc it was her last performance of iosq. there is no bootleg of it and that 1 min snippet on youtube doesn't incude it :(
No she didn't. She didn't do much of the gravel sound either. Most songs were in Icelandic. I was lucky enough to go. Wonderful concert.


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Postby mrain » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:38 pm



Omg Im wanting to hear HoT again. And good thing someone recorded it. I rarely listen and like History of touches until she sang it in WDCH. I was touched and her softness of voice was very good and the strings were perfect. I was having goosebumps as soon as she started singing it, the lightings/projections made it better


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Postby jp4151 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:15 pm



I really wish we got a live version of vulnicura strings... :(
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Postby isbnrk » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:34 am

i know vulnicura is over, but anchor song sounded sooooooooo good in this presentation. it might be my favorite ever, but in all this months i haven't found it as a full version :/ has anyone seen it? i really want to hear it <3 i fell in love with that presentation.
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Postby jp4151 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:19 am

Someone posted a lot of videos of the walt disney show on youtube last month. Finally got around to downloading the audio. here's a link if anyone's interested. It's about 54 minutes worth of music. And all of the highlights from the night were recorded (Stonemilker, History of Touches (though incomplete - the best parts at the end are cut off), I've seen it all, and vertebrae by Vertebrae)

https://www.mediafire.com/file/a3ym1031 ... l.rar/file
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Postby judaschrist » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:57 am

Someone posted a lot of videos of the walt disney show on youtube last month. Finally got around to downloading the audio. here's a link if anyone's interested. It's about 54 minutes worth of music. And all of the highlights from the night were recorded (Stonemilker, History of Touches (though incomplete - the best parts at the end are cut off), I've seen it all, and vertebrae by Vertebrae)

https://www.mediafire.com/file/a3ym1031 ... l.rar/file

this is great! thanks. didn't know about the youtube upload...
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Postby Moderator » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:34 pm

I was there, too - it was a magical night!
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Postby Moderator » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:35 pm

Someone posted a lot of videos of the walt disney show on youtube last month. Finally got around to downloading the audio. here's a link if anyone's interested. It's about 54 minutes worth of music. And all of the highlights from the night were recorded (Stonemilker, History of Touches (though incomplete - the best parts at the end are cut off), I've seen it all, and vertebrae by Vertebrae)

https://www.mediafire.com/file/a3ym1031 ... l.rar/file
can you post the video links, too?
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Postby jp4151 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:50 pm

Someone posted a lot of videos of the walt disney show on youtube last month. Finally got around to downloading the audio. here's a link if anyone's interested. It's about 54 minutes worth of music. And all of the highlights from the night were recorded (Stonemilker, History of Touches (though incomplete - the best parts at the end are cut off), I've seen it all, and vertebrae by Vertebrae)

https://www.mediafire.com/file/a3ym1031 ... l.rar/file
can you post the video links, too?
Stonemilker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpS1U9ft6pU

History of Touches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ZzkE5LLfA

Black Lake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW4MdB99db0

family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0W7ANDJSqI

notget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hVqD7FdxLw

aurora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjHwzUASJ6I

i've seen it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-isxc8GXGk

joga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PctekowfIqM

vertebrae by vertebrae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUlQbTGdhx4
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Postby Moderator » Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:28 am

cool thanks!
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Postby tofu » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:13 pm

really cool !!! thank u
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