Various questions re. remixes/song versions/personnel

[martin]

Does anyone here know anything about these remixes? Fanmade or official? Release date...

All Is Full Of Love (André Estermann Mix)
I Miss You (Junior's Arena Anthem - Junior Vasquez)

thanx

[Anak]

I don't immediately see them on 77Ísland

[odduck]

Since Elektra commissioned promo mixes of I Miss You for the American market (the RH Factor remixes), it is possible that the Junior one was commissioned and then rejected, but there's no clear confirmation for that. However, since he was one of the biggest US DJs at the time, it's definitely above a fan mix, even if he just created it as a private mix imo.

I thought the AIFOL one is fan made, but Estermann is listed as doing the mastering for the Funkstörung mixes. So while he's not exactly a fan, it doesn't seem to be commissioned either. If it really is his work, he probably made it because he had access to the stems.
http://www.discogs.com/Bj%C3%B6rk-Mit-F ... ease/28989

Do you have it? I don't think I've ever heard it before...

[Erik]

I think the Junior one is technically official but just never used

[Soundwave]

I Miss You

I Miss You [Album Version]

I Miss You [Photek Mix]
I Miss You [Darren Emerson Underwater Mix]

I Miss You [Dobie's Rub Part 1 - Sunshine Mix]
I Miss You [Dobie's Rub Part 2 - It's A Hip Hop Thing]

I Miss You [R.H. Factor Radio Edit]
I Miss You [R.H. Factor Lovely Mix]
I Miss You [R.H. Factor Beats]
I Miss You [R.H. Factor Ugly Mix]

I Miss You [Junior Vasquez Arena Anthem Mix]
I Miss You [Compulsion Mix]

I think the Junior one is technically official but just never used

Like the R.H. Factor remixes they were also commisioned by Elektra, but never released. Not even on a promo. Just white label.

[martin]

I Miss You

I Miss You [Album Version]

I Miss You [Photek Mix]
I Miss You [Darren Emerson Underwater Mix]

I Miss You [Dobie's Rub Part 1 - Sunshine Mix]
I Miss You [Dobie's Rub Part 2 - It's A Hip Hop Thing]

I Miss You [R.H. Factor Radio Edit]
I Miss You [R.H. Factor Lovely Mix]
I Miss You [R.H. Factor Beats]
I Miss You [R.H. Factor Ugly Mix]

I Miss You [Junior Vasquez Arena Anthem Mix]
I Miss You [Compulsion Mix]

I think the Junior one is technically official but just never used

Like the R.H. Factor remixes they were also commisioned by Elektra, but never released. Not even on a promo. Just white label.

thanks for the info. is the Compulsion Mix available somewhere?

btw: http://www.discogs.com/artist/23913-Compulsion

[odduck]

is the Compulsion Mix available somewhere?

http://www.discogs.com/Bjork-I-Miss-You/release/2177539

[Soundwave]

thanks for the info.

I don't know if it was helpful, because I made a mistake. The edit is not official, but fanmade. But done very well though. So it's just the 10:15 version that is official but unreleased. Unlike the R.H. Factor remixes it did not get a promo release, only white label.

http://www.discogs.com/Vicki-Sue-Robins ... ase/512603

[martin]

is the Compulsion Mix available somewhere?

http://www.discogs.com/Bjork-I-Miss-You/release/2177539

well, i meant "really" available, like "has anyone got an mp3 file of it"...

[shapeshifter]

[odduck]

Thanks. Yeah, I think those are all the white-labels (there are even a few I've never heard about in your list)...
There's also some other stuff from mixtapes, like these two...

[martin]

Here you go.

THANKS!

would you mind sharing the Sod Off remixes by Swag?

[Soundwave]

Martin, would you mind removing my quote from your reply to my last post? Because I edited my original post. Thanks.

[martin]

Martin, would you mind removing my quote from your reply to my last post? Because I edited my original post. Thanks.

done!

[martin]

does anyone have an hq version of this?:

The triumph of a heart (Valgeir Sigurdsson Mix)

[stupidfambaloo]

does anyone have an hq version of this?:

The triumph of a heart (Valgeir Sigurdsson Mix)

i believe that was only available on valgeir's myspace way back when, so no HQ that i've seen

[odduck]

^ This.

I ripped it from Myspace in 320 back then, but it's a reencode, so yeah...
http://www91.zippyshare.com/v/gm4EtUss/file.html

[shapeshifter]

[Moderator]

does anyone have an hq version of this?:

The triumph of a heart (Valgeir Sigurdsson Mix)

i believe that was only available on valgeir's myspace way back when, so no HQ that i've seen

i think he called it the 'disco mix' or something

[odduck]

^ Yep!

[Soundwave]

Question:
I have file file named "Pagan Poetry (French Trance Remix)".
Does anyone know by chance who remixed it?
I remember the guy came here to the 4um and posted his mix many years ago, and everybody loved it. But I don't remember his name. It's not white label, but I like it, it's a bit like Paul Oakenfold Infusion remix of the song.

That would be JC Lemay.

[shapeshifter]

[martin]

^ This.

I ripped it from Myspace in 320 back then, but it's a reencode, so yeah...
http://www91.zippyshare.com/v/gm4EtUss/file.html

thanks!!!

[Voltagenic]

I'm confused over a couple of official remixes.

Are "BTS (Lionrock Wigout Vox)" and "BTS (Lionrock Wigout Mix)" different? There seems to be a 20-second difference in the tracks as listed on Discogs but I can't find anything different to what's on my UK BTS CD2 (some may have a slightly longer intro before the hi-hats I think).

Same question for 'Isobel': are "Dim's Ol' School Instrumental" and "Dim's Ol' School Dubstramental" different?

Thanks.

[martin]

I'm confused over a couple of official remixes.

Are "BTS (Lionrock Wigout Vox)" and "BTS (Lionrock Wigout Mix)" different? There seems to be a 20-second difference in the tracks as listed on Discogs but I can't find anything different to what's on my UK BTS CD2 (some may have a slightly longer intro before the hi-hats I think).

Same question for 'Isobel': are "Dim's Ol' School Instrumental" and "Dim's Ol' School Dubstramental" different?

Thanks.

Big Time Sensuality (Justin Robertson’s Lionrock Wigout Mix) 7:48
Big Time Sensuality (Justin Robertson’s Lionrock Wigout Vox) 7:23

Isobel (Dim’s Enchanted Forest) 9:31
Isobel (Dim’s Hi Compact French Touch) 7:35
Isobel (Dim’s Ol’ School Dubstrumental) 7:24

Hope this helps.

As far as I know, a remix called 'Dim's Ol' School Instrumental' does not exist....

[shapeshifter]

[Voltagenic]

Big Time Sensuality (Justin Robertson’s Lionrock Wigout Mix) 7:48
Big Time Sensuality (Justin Robertson’s Lionrock Wigout Vox) 7:23

Time difference is at the beginning and at the end. In Wigout Vox, cymbals enter later in the song (at about 17 seconds). In Wigout Mix at about 8 seconds. I believe is just a few bars more of that loop at the beginning. Same at the ending. In Wigout Vox the bassdrum/kick ends at 7:30, while in Wigout Mix it ends at around 7:13.

That's great, thanks both.

[Soundwave]

If I may I would also like to point out there is the ...

Isobel (Dimitri's Enchanted Forest Edit) 7:48

which is mixed in on ...

Dimitri From Paris ‎– Monsieur Dimitri's De-Luxe House Of Funk
Dimitri From Paris ‎– Monsieur Dimitri's De-Luxe House Of Funk (Reissue)

And I would like to add these are different as well ...

Violently Happy (Nellee Hooper Vocal And Organ Mix) 5:30
Violently Happy (Domestic Mix) 5:16

Often people assume(d) they are exactly the same.
It's the same mix, but they are 2 different recordings.

[Voltagenic]

Big Time Sensuality (Dimitri's Enchanted Forest Edit) 7:48

'Isobel', surely?

Have I managed to confuse you too?

[Soundwave]

Big Time Sensuality (Dimitri's Enchanted Forest Edit) 7:48

'Isobel', surely?

Have I managed to confuse you too?

Yes, I meant Isobel haha. I was listening to Big Time Sensuality when I wrote it.

[Voltagenic]

Violently Happy (Nellee Hooper Vocal And Organ Mix) 5:30
Violently Happy (Domestic Mix) 5:16

I thought these were both mixed by Björk although the Discogs page does say Record 1 Side A is subtitled "Nellee Hooper", as well as crediting Björk with the remix.

I have some other similar questions, not necessarily about remixes, more about versions and personnel. Not sure where to post them...

[shapeshifter]

[Soundwave]

And sometimes they have different vocal takes.

[martin]

Violently Happy (Nellee Hooper Vocal And Organ Mix) 5:30
Violently Happy (Domestic Mix) 5:16

Often people assume(d) they are exactly the same.
It's the same mix, but they are 2 different recordings.

Interesting... what exactly does this mean, "2 different recordings"? Does it sound the same music-wise and the vocal take is different? where in the song can you hear those differences? thanks.

I have some other similar questions, not necessarily about remixes, more about versions and personnel. Not sure where to post them...

I changed the thread title... (or you could maybe create a new thread for this).

[Voltagenic]

I changed the thread title...

Brilliant! Thank you. I'll bring them later.

[Soundwave]

Interesting... what exactly does this mean, "2 different recordings"? Does it sound the same music-wise and the vocal take is different? where in the song can you hear those differences? thanks.

Yeah, it's basically the same remix/version of Violently Happy, but they are 2 different recordings. I'm not really good at explaining these things, but let me try and give a few examples ...

For starters, notice the organ starts slightly higher on the Domestic Mix than on the Vocal And Organ Mix. The vibrato is also different in many places and there are many other differences. One specific example, check the organ bit after the fist verse, before the first time she sings violently happy. On the Domestic mix the last note before Björk starts to sing again is, like, very straight and goes right into it. The same bit on the Vocal and Organ Mix the organ tumbles down like one of those street organs, you know.

And right from the first lyric since I met you you can hear they are different vocal takes as well, just by the way Björk delivers them. But suppose someone really can't hear any difference vocally throughout the song, then I suggest you just compare the gibberish endings of both versions after the lyric soothe me. They are completely different.

The most noticable differences at first glance are in the Domestic Mix she repeats the last gibberish lyric twice before the organ slowly ends while changing chords. On the Vocal And Organ Mix it feels shorter, she grunts at one point and it ends more abruptly and the organ ends on one long note.

On the Domestic Mix the organ also sounds a bit softer overall it seems. And I dont mean that in a 'loudness' way. On the Vocal And Organ Mix it feels thinner and sharper. They are different and so are the vocal takes. They are 2 different recordings from the same remix/version.

Hope this makes any sense.

[Voltagenic]

Hope this makes any sense.

It does and I certainly appreciate these observations. The differences between the tracks are quite stark from the start, enough for me to imagine the "Vocal & Organ Mix" to be a demo version of the "Domestic Mix" ("I'm daring people to jump off ... roofs with me," especially, sounds like a misstep).

My first question may be a stupid one - maybe I just haven't paid attention properly when reading or I haven't read the right things.

Who mixed Debut?

I can only find a list of engineers: Al Stone, Brian Pugsley, Dave Burnham, H. Shalleh, Howie Bernstein, Hugo Nicolson, Jim Abbiss, Nellee Hooper, Paul Corkett, Paul Wertheimer.

Some of these mixed later tracks: Al Stone - 'Hyperballad' and 'Isobel', or Howie B. - 'All Is Full Of Love' and 'I Miss You', for example, so I guess they were mix engineers for the original "album version" mixes of the tracks on Debut. I just can't find who specifically mixed each track.

It may not be terribly important but you can nail down who mixed or remixed pretty much every other track (although I couldn't identify who mixed 'It's Oh So Quiet' either). I just wondered if that info is available anywhere for Debut?

Thanks!

[venus]

^ great conribution to what keeps me thinking for years, thank you! you reminded me the times i found out that howie b mix and choice mix are not the same.

and about this credits thing about , it's like nobody knows/cares. they are all just given all together not per each track and they stay mysteries.

once i contacted one of the drummers from about what songs he played on and he said that he didnt remember and told me to ask nellee

we have credits in detail and , maybe, if that is legit.

and we have this:

could mod help maybe?

lol
i am the source for everything now, huh?

i do have updated credit notes for all albums
but these are not up for sharing with the public just yet

[shapeshifter]

[shapeshifter]

[martin]

And I have a question from
Is the version of Triumph Of A Heart from this promo CDR available somewhere else, complete? It's different (and IMO better) than the album version.

what's different about it? and are the other songs on this promo also different from the album versions?

[Voltagenic]

All Stone is also credited as an engineer for One Day in this compilation. I dunno the rest.

That seems a reasonable indication for that track - thanks! Interesting credit:

Performer [Everything] – Bjork.

I got excited for a moment, thinking you might be onto a new 4:52 version there but it's just the album version with an early fade out.

about this credits thing about , it's like nobody knows/cares. they are all just given all together not per each track and they stay mysteries.

I feared that may be the case. Lost in the mists of time, maybe, or perhaps a number of people mixed any given track and it was just easier to attribute the album as a whole to all of them.

Nice anecdote, thanks:

once i contacted one of the drummers from about what songs he played on and he said that he didnt remember and told me to ask nellee

i am the source for everything now, huh?

i do have updated credit notes for all albums
but these are not up for sharing with the public just yet

When did the Mod say this? Was it recently?

[shapeshifter]

[Voltagenic]

I can't tell exactly, it's just different.

'Who Is It' had a synth on it, too, IIRC.

[martin]

I can't tell exactly, it's just different.

'Who Is It' had a synth on it, too, IIRC.

According to Discogs, it's the Fruit Machine Mix of Who Is It... the complete version of Triumph Of A Heart seems to be unreleased though...

[shapeshifter]

[shapeshifter]

[martin]

According to Discogs, it's the Fruit Machine Mix of Who Is It... the complete version of Triumph Of A Heart seems to be unreleased though...

But it's not Fruit Machine Mix or.. is it?
Synth arp is different.

Don't know... never listened to it....

[Voltagenic]

What an informative thread this is!

I don't think the "Fruit Machine Mix" of 'Who Is It' has any synth in it. Where is the synth arp used? In fact I'm not sure I even know what that is - is it an arpeggiator synth?

Seems likely, yes. But maybe not. Just maybe. I leant the other day that for some strange legal reason, when an artist want to explode further a track already released in an album, if they want to put it in a V/A compilation of sorts, they have re-register the ISRC code for the song again if they do any changes to the tune. And that fades are taken as changes/edits. So I guess that since One Day fades into Aeroplane in the Debut, they had to fade out the song earlier for this compilation. And since for fades you need an engineer, even if it’s an incredibly easy work to do, he might have gotten the credit as engineer just for that. As ridiculous as it sounds. Although it seems more likely that the person who previously worked on the song would also do any other required editing. And if that's the usual procedure, then Jim Abbis worked on Venus As A Boy because he's credited for editing Venus As A Boy (Edited LP Version)

Actually, that makes sense legally but, damn! they don't make it easy. Assuming the credits on Discogs are always correct, which seems unlikely, and following on from "it seems more likely that the person who previously worked on the song would also do any other required editing," wouldn't it also be appropriate for the original engineer (if it wasn't Abbiss) to get an engineering credit on the compilation album? I mean, you wouldn't just credit the guy who faded the track out early.

I guess assigning credits can be pretty subjective, too. Abbiss is credited with editing for cutting out half a minute from the middle of the track of 'Venus As A Boy (Edit)' (which took a degree of skill similar to that involved in remixing, certainly greater than pulling the faders down before the next track starts) but he gets an engineer credit for 'Violently Happy (Domestic Mix)' whereas Björk gets a remix credit (and is "Domestic Mix" really a remix or, in fact, a different arrangement? It's a different vocal take, anyway). On top of that, for Debut we had "Engineers" and "Assistant Engineers"; for Post this had changed to "Mix Engineers" and "Assistant Engineers" (but 'Army Of Me' also gave Mark Stent a "Mixed by" credit).

So if no other engineer was mentioned on the compilation album and "engineers" later became "mix engineers", it seems reasonable to suppose that Abbiss mixed 'One Day'. Not conclusive, though, and a lot of effort to go to for one track.

[Soundwave]

Does anyone know if it's already possible to get these on any official promo or in digital form? I'm not looking for youtube rips.

Stonemilker (Radio Edit) 3:09
Lionsong (Radio Edit) 4:02

Stonemilker (VR Headset Version - Strings Mix) ???
Black Lake (MoMA/Video Version) 10:11