Triumph of a heart versions

onepointedstar · Postby **onepointedstar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:21 am

Greetings gentle people. i have a question for the bjork experts here:
what versions of 'triumph of a heart' exist? and is there online audio for me to listen to?

I'll tell you for why, so this doesn't seem like too weird a request. i have a version that was emailed to me mid-august, 2004 that doesn't match any version that i can find in a google search. maybe there's a version that is less well known and i was hoping to be able to compare with this version that i have.

many thanks in advance!

odduck · Postby **odduck** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:29 am

Are you thinking of the matmos thing where there only The only lyric is "the pain of a heart" repeated over and over?

It was on the

leak in summer of 2004, but never released in any way.

onepointedstar · Postby **onepointedstar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:41 am

Thanks for the reply. I don't know that version, but it doesn't sound like it. the version i have has full lyrics. it's 5:49 long, not the audition mix, album mix or an edit of it, nor is it a live version. if it helps, it was sent to me by mark bell who would often send me random things by email or post. everything he ever sent me has eventually been commercially released except (as far as I can tell) this track.

odduck · Postby **odduck** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:46 am

Would you be willing to share this version?

Yes, the length doesn't match anything ever released or leaked.

Here is the one I meant:

onepointedstar · Postby **onepointedstar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:29 am

It's definitely not that.

in principle I don't mind sharing it, although i don't want to run afoul of any rules or copyright laws.

once I'd bought the album and heard that it wasn't the version on that my assumption had always been that it was mark's remix and would come out on a single at some point, but Bjork kind of fell off my radar a little bit (suddenly couldn't afford to buy literally everything i wanted!) so i didn't know if it had or not.

if it's an unreleased mix, early mix, or remix, then maybe it's unreleased for a reason - i wouldn't want to upset Bjork, or whoever owns the copyright to it, by making it public. although mark didn't specify any prohibitions when he sent it to me - as far as i recall he didn't even write a message body except for a download link, and the file was called 'track' or 'file' or something nondescript like that. I didn't even know the name of it until the album came out

anyway maybe I'll give it a bit of time in case someone official wants to voice an opinion. it's been 20 years now so maybe it's not so important, and it'd be a shame if i was the only one who could hear it.

faber · Postby **faber** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:03 am

your hesitatation in sharing it is really appreciable, but knowing how björk approaches her archives it could also be that this mark bell remix is lost media to her and her label too, so giving it air to breathe after 20 years could be a cute tribute to Mark bell

just curious here, were you friends? collaborators? I'm still in mourning over his passing after 10 years, he was definitely her best collaborator/co-producer

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odduck · Postby **odduck** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:43 pm

it'd be a shame if i was the only one who could hear it.

Yep.

onepointedstar · Postby **onepointedstar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:10 pm

just curious here, were you friends? collaborators? I'm still in mourning over his passing after 10 years, he was definitely her best collaborator/co-producer

Not a collaborator, and I wouldn't be so forward as to assume friendship, but we just chatted by email and occasionally he'd send random stuff, out of the blue. Is it 10 years already? Still seems like a shock.

the guidelines are pretty clear on this: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23514

Exactly the rule I was thinking of. Makes it pretty clear cut.

jp4151 · Postby **jp4151** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:02 pm

It's definitely not that.

can you tell us a bit more about the sound of this version? is it similar to the album version or more like a remix?

Any new lyrics compared to the final release?

kiknos · Postby **kiknos** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:02 pm

It was on the leak in summer of 2004, but never released in any way.

is the medúlla leak so substantially different from the actual thing? I mean, if that is what was supposed to be on it instead of triumph of a heart, I am happy we got the real thing eventually!

judaschrist · Postby **judaschrist** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:39 pm

I've got an excerpt of a toah promo version, but how could this be compared to onepointedstar's version if we may not share it here?!?

i mean, is an officially unreleased version of a song copyrighted at all? could this be compared to a live version???? please clarify...

onepointedstar · Postby **onepointedstar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:32 pm

can you tell us a bit more about the sound of this version? is it similar to the album version or more like a remix?

Any new lyrics compared to the final release?

The lyrics seem to be pretty much the same, maybe there are lines in the album version not in this I haven't listened back to back. It's not a million miles from the album version, but not close enough that it might be a early edit of that version. It's definitely a different version. A remix, not a mix. Although I can't say whether or not it's an earlier version intended for the album and then replaced.

Earlier today I watched a "making of" video on YouTube and judging by the sounds that are being recorded in that which appear in the album version, but not in this, I'd say it's more likely a remix Mark did either for himself for fun, or for a possible single release.

It's more stripped back, starting with the mouth-brass solo, some mouthy-pops (not hi-hat types like in the album version), then after about 40 seconds the farty "bassline" comes in and then the vocal. There's no "jaws harp"-type meowing or that other rhythmic meowing going on. It stops on a beat; no fade.

digitalsky · Postby **digitalsky** » Tue Jun 18, 2024 4:35 am

Greetings gentle people. i have a question for the bjork experts here:
what versions of 'triumph of a heart' exist? and is there online audio for me to listen to?

I'll tell you for why, so this doesn't seem like too weird a request. i have a version that was emailed to me mid-august, 2004 that doesn't match any version that i can find in a google search. maybe there's a version that is less well known and i was hoping to be able to compare with this version that i have.

many thanks in advance!

the ensemble remix ?

odduck · Postby **odduck** » Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:32 am

It was on the leak in summer of 2004, but never released in any way.
is the medúlla leak so substantially different from the actual thing? I mean, if that is what was supposed to be on it instead of triumph of a heart, I am happy we got the real thing eventually!

the leak did include the TOAH album version, this was a bonus track, I think.

onepointedstar · Postby **onepointedstar** » Tue Jun 18, 2024 10:10 am

the ensemble remix ?

Where would I be able to hear this? It seems unlikely that Mark would send me someone else's work without comment, and the remix I have sounds like Mark's work and doesn't sound like Ensemble. Plus, he never sent me anything else that wasn't either his work alone or primarily his work in collaboration with others.

jp4151 · Postby **jp4151** » Tue Jun 18, 2024 1:52 pm

there isn't an ensemble remix of TOAH. the only officially released TOAH remix is the audition mix, and it doesn't sound like the version onepointedstar described

i don't use the 4um much these days but onepointedstar please feel free to email me at

jp4151@gmail.com

I Would love to chat a bit more about mark bell

nicotobares · Postby **nicotobares** » Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:00 am

is this an unofficial remix? i always thought it was legit

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOBPdz8XRQ[/youtube]

childwithlepro · Postby **childwithlepro** » Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:20 am

if we don't hear then we can't tell

maybe it is an alternate take without or with less dokaka? if i remember right, he joined a bit late during the making of

it wasn't until björk found online an mp3 of his acapella cover version of nirvanas' Smells Like Teen Spirit that he came on board and sort of took over the song.

stupidfambaloo · Postby **stupidfambaloo** » Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:15 am

is this an unofficial remix? i always thought it was legit

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOBPdz8XRQ[/youtube]

it was possibly just done for fun, but valgeir did post it on his myspace profile. so unofficially official?

Simontreal · Postby **Simontreal** » Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:09 am

is this an unofficial remix? i always thought it was legit

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOBPdz8XRQ[/youtube]
it was possibly just done for fun, but valgeir did post it on his myspace profile. so unofficially official?

wasn't it also on bjork myspace page around 2006 ?

cowboy · Postby **cowboy** » Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:04 pm

is this an unofficial remix? i always thought it was legit

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOBPdz8XRQ[/youtube]
it was possibly just done for fun, but valgeir did post it on his myspace profile. so unofficially official?
wasn't it also on bjork myspace page around 2006 ?

Nop, it was posted by Valgeir

. I remember he also posted nishin maru? A song that appesrs in dr9 film (written by him, not Björk).

onepointedstar · Postby **onepointedstar** » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:39 am

I Would love to chat a bit more about mark bell

There really isn't much to tell. I wouldn't want to give the wrong impression and folks think that we were best buddies in constant chat. It was just irregular emails over the course of a few years, sometimes with random gifts attached or linked. Sometimes he'd send records in the post. A couple of times unwanted (by him) mixing equipment. i was a bit mystified why he talked to some random nobody, let alone sent stuff. I guess he was just that sort of guy. Just kind and generous.

I think - and my ailing failing memory might be playing tricks on me here - that it all started when he messaged me on another forum because I (think) I mentioned that I'd got loads of gmail invites and could he please have one cos he kept losing his accounts. (Remember those days, when gmail accounts were invite-only and *the* thing everyone wanted?) He wasn't lying - I ended up gifting him more than one gmail account

As for this remix, I'm going to conclude that it's not an ensemble remix since one doesn't exist, except maybe for where that one poster said he had a copy and then, mysteriously, didn't say it any more.

maybe it is an alternate take without or with less dokaka?

If I understand the meaning of 'dokaka' then there's loads of it in this remix. unless it means... er... something else, in which case, maybe, but I like it.

is an officially unreleased version of a song copyrighted at all?

As far as my limited understanding of these matters goes, the copyright would most likely be held with Mark himself (if unreleased) - or at least whoever controls his estate. I suppose it's possible that there was a contract clause that specified that any works derived from the recordings would be copyright whoever held the copyright for the recordings, or the label, but I don't think that's how these things typically get done. But, as I said, I don't really know much about these sort of things.

digitalsky · Postby **digitalsky** » Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:52 pm

I Would love to chat a bit more about mark bell

There really isn't much to tell. I wouldn't want to give the wrong impression and folks think that we were best buddies in constant chat. It was just irregular emails over the course of a few years, sometimes with random gifts attached or linked. Sometimes he'd send records in the post. A couple of times unwanted (by him) mixing equipment. i was a bit mystified why he talked to some random nobody, let alone sent stuff. I guess he was just that sort of guy. Just kind and generous.

I think - and my ailing failing memory might be playing tricks on me here - that it all started when he messaged me on another forum because I (think) I mentioned that I'd got loads of gmail invites and could he please have one cos he kept losing his accounts. (Remember those days, when gmail accounts were invite-only and *the* thing everyone wanted?) He wasn't lying - I ended up gifting him more than one gmail account

As for this remix, I'm going to conclude that it's not an ensemble remix since one doesn't exist, except maybe for where that one poster said he had a copy and then, mysteriously, didn't say it any more.

maybe it is an alternate take without or with less dokaka?

If I understand the meaning of 'dokaka' then there's loads of it in this remix. unless it means... er... something else, in which case, maybe, but I like it.

is an officially unreleased version of a song copyrighted at all?

As far as my limited understanding of these matters goes, the copyright would most likely be held with Mark himself (if unreleased) - or at least whoever controls his estate. I suppose it's possible that there was a contract clause that specified that any works derived from the recordings would be copyright whoever held the copyright for the recordings, or the label, but I don't think that's how these things typically get done. But, as I said, I don't really know much about these sort of things.

i will clarify my deleted post if you reach me via email - use subject line TOAH mix
life@exitsense.net

judaschrist · Postby **judaschrist** » Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:54 pm

maybe it is an alternate take without or with less dokaka?

If I understand the meaning of 'dokaka' then there's loads of it in this remix. unless it means... er... something else, in which case, maybe, but I like it.

dokaka is the guy who makes the weird/cat noises in the official version of toah... not exactly sure what you were thinking...

i could send you the sample of the promo version and you could compare the 2...

jp4151 · Postby **jp4151** » Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:35 pm

I Would love to chat a bit more about mark bell

There really isn't much to tell. I wouldn't want to give the wrong impression and folks think that we were best buddies in constant chat. It was just irregular emails over the course of a few years, sometimes with random gifts attached or linked. Sometimes he'd send records in the post. A couple of times unwanted (by him) mixing equipment. i was a bit mystified why he talked to some random nobody, let alone sent stuff. I guess he was just that sort of guy. Just kind and generous.

I think - and my ailing failing memory might be playing tricks on me here - that it all started when he messaged me on another forum because I (think) I mentioned that I'd got loads of gmail invites and could he please have one cos he kept losing his accounts. (Remember those days, when gmail accounts were invite-only and *the* thing everyone wanted?) He wasn't lying - I ended up gifting him more than one gmail account

As for this remix, I'm going to conclude that it's not an ensemble remix since one doesn't exist, except maybe for where that one poster said he had a copy and then, mysteriously, didn't say it any more.

gotcha

i would still like to chat privately. i’m still very curious about this mark bell version. I have some unreleased material i’m sure would interest you i’m but since we’re dealing with material of questionable origin it may be best to talk privately.

my email is above, but here it is again:

jp4151@gmail.com

hope to hear from you soon

benjicoq · Postby **benjicoq** » Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:02 pm

there isn't an ensemble remix of TOAH. the only officially released TOAH remix is the audition mix, and it doesn't sound like the version onepointedstar described

well, the ensemble mix, though unreleased , does exist and it is played during this radio show :

https://cashmereradio.com/episode/cashm ... rek-piotr/

ultramarine · Postby **ultramarine** » Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:14 pm

there isn't an ensemble remix of TOAH. the only officially released TOAH remix is the audition mix, and it doesn't sound like the version onepointedstar described

well, the ensemble mix, though unreleased , does exist and it is played during this radio show :

https://cashmereradio.com/episode/cashm ... rek-piotr/

fascinating! thanks for sharing

starts at 46:12 for those who want to give it a listen

Erik · Postby **Erik** » Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:22 am

Ive never heard this! Thanks for sharing

Simontreal · Postby **Simontreal** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:33 pm

WOW ! I just hope someone put it on youtube so we could make our own mp3s... or that Oli releases it on streaming services !

childwithlepro · Postby **childwithlepro** » Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:12 am

Triumph of a Heart (Ensemble Remix)

Simontreal · Postby **Simontreal** » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:57 pm

thank you so much ! I guess sharing a mp3 of something that was legally played on radio or online is ok ? i am a grateful grapefruit.

judaschrist · Postby **judaschrist** » Thu Aug 01, 2024 12:43 pm

thanks for sharing. is there any other download site available? I kinda hate it when you have to login with your social media accounts before downloading is possible...

SILHUETTE · Postby **SILHUETTE** » Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:56 am

is this an unofficial remix? i always thought it was legit

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOBPdz8XRQ[/youtube]
it was possibly just done for fun, but valgeir did post it on his myspace profile. so unofficially official?
wasn't it also on bjork myspace page around 2006 ?
Nop, it was posted by Valgeir . I remember he also posted nishin maru? A song that appesrs in dr9 film (written by him, not Björk).

do you still have nisshin maru as posted by valgeir? would you mind sharing? cannot find it anywhere. thanks.

arucinluv · Postby **arucinluv** » Mon Aug 12, 2024 11:30 am

i remember a few years ago someone posted two demo/work in progress cds of medulla and vespertine. i remember that's how we found out some working titles like olympia sirens = oceania, bati = batabid, etc. i wonder if that's where this alternate mix came from. sadly i was never able to find this image again

odduck · Postby **odduck** » Mon Aug 12, 2024 1:10 pm

do you still have nisshin maru as posted by valgeir? would you mind sharing? cannot find it anywhere. thanks.

Link lasts 7 days

SILHUETTE · Postby **SILHUETTE** » Mon Aug 12, 2024 2:38 pm

do you still have nisshin maru as posted by valgeir? would you mind sharing? cannot find it anywhere. thanks.
Link lasts 7 days

thank you so much! i have always loved the instrumental and had only the version ripped from the movie! i even tried to write to valgeir and he somewhat promised to send me but I suppose he forgot then. thank you once more!

Simontreal · Postby **Simontreal** » Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:57 am

which version is it ?

https://www.discogs.com/release/2123992 ... th-Medulla

Magnetar · Postby **Magnetar** » Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:56 am

which version is it ?

https://www.discogs.com/release/2123992 ... th-Medulla

I don't know, but I always loved it and wish we had the full version.

onepointedstar · Postby **onepointedstar** » Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:09 am

Apologies for neglecting this thread - life n stuff, you know how it is.

dokaka is the guy who makes the weird/cat noises in the official version of toah... not exactly sure what you were thinking...

i could send you the sample of the promo version and you could compare the 2...

That would be good - it would be nice to know if the version I have was intended to be official, or was just Mark having a bit of fun.

which version is it ?
https://www.discogs.com/release/2123992 ... th-Medulla

Presumably this is the same sample that judaschrist was talking about above. Maybe this is the version I have...

judaschrist · Postby **judaschrist** » Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:42 am

That would be good - it would be nice to know if the version I have was intended to be official, or was just Mark having a bit of fun.

done! check your pm's.

faber · Postby **faber** » Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:23 am

which version is it ?

https://www.discogs.com/release/2123992 ... th-Medulla

I would like to hear this version too, never heard about it

onepointedstar · Postby **onepointedstar** » Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:53 am

done! check your pm's.

I tried to reply to your PM, but I have no idea if it worked. The message is in my outbox and not sent-messages as you'd expect, and there doesn't seem to be anything more I can do to chivvy it along. Unless it has already been sent and the messaging system here is just weird.

Maybe it's being held because it's the first message I've tried to send?

Anyway, I had a listen to the snippet, thanks for that! it was quite hard to tell at first due to the low bitrate, but It's definitely not the same version that I have. The snippet has more of a bassy vibe and a swing to it. The version I have is harsher.

Apex · Postby **Apex** » Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:44 pm

which version is it ?

https://www.discogs.com/release/2123992 ... th-Medulla
I would like to hear this version too, never heard about it

me too!

Simontreal · Postby **Simontreal** » Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:51 pm

which version is it ?

https://www.discogs.com/release/2123992 ... th-Medulla
I would like to hear this version too, never heard about it
me too!

same obviously !